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  1. SVP, un peu de respect pour les prévisionnistes et pour Environnement Canada.

     

    On peut ne pas être d'accord avec la politique pour l'émissions des avertissements et les prévisions, mais il ne faut pas tomber dans des propos sans respect.

     

    Il faut simplement argumenter, et donner des raisons soutenant notre argumentation.

     

    Merci,

     

    Christian Pagé

  2. Au moins il y a cela, mais je me demande si les médias le relaient bien. Ce n'est pas aussi efficace que les prévisions pour relayer l'info.

     

    WOCN70 CWUL 132003

    BULLETIN METEOROLOGIQUE SPECIAL EMIS PAR ENVIRONNEMENT CANADA

    MONTREAL A 15H03 HNE LE SAMEDI 13 DECEMBRE 2003.

     

    .... DIFFICILE RETOUR AU TRAVAIL LUNDI MATIN ....

     

    SITUATION METEOROLOGIQUE

     

    UNE DEPRESSION EN FORMATION SUR LE SUD DES ETATS-UNIS REMONTERA LA COTE-EST

    AMERICAINE DIMANCHE ET LUNDI. ELLE POUSSERA PASSABLEMENT DE NEIGE DIMANCHE

    SOIR ET LUNDI SUR LA VALLEE DU ST-LAURENT, DU SUD-OUEST DU QUEBEC VERS

    LE BAS ST-LAURENT.

     

    CE BULLETIN SE VEUT UNE SIMPLE MISE EN GARDE ET LE PUBLIC EST PRIE DE

    SUIVRE LES AVERTISSEMENTS SUBSEQUENTS EMIS A CE SUJET PAR ENVIRONNEMENT

    CANADA.

     

    POUR TOUT COMMENTAIRE, COMMUNIQUEZ AVEC

    ENVIRONNEMENT CANADA AU 1-800-463-4311.

  3. Je crois sincèrement que la prévision devrait au moins indiquer ce potentiel de tempête. C'est totalement absent de cette prévision, en plus pas plus de 36h à l'avance. Le public ne le saura que demain matin avec la prévision de 5h... à moins d'un avertissement éventuel. La population de Plattsburgh est mieux informé. Pour lundi on donne: SIGNIFICANT ADDITIONAL ACCUMULATION

    LIKELY après avoir donné des accumulations de l'ordre de 6 à 10 pouces pour dimanche dans la nuit, en plus d'un avertissement pour tard dimanche jusqu'à lundi.

     

    ZONE FORECASTS FOR VERMONT AND NORTHERN NEW YORK

    NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BURLINGTON VT

    305 PM EST SAT DEC 13 2003

     

    NYZ028-VTZ001-002-140900-

    EASTERN CLINTON NY-GRAND ISLE VT-WESTERN FRANKLIN VT-

    INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...PLATTSBURGH NY...SOUTH HERO VT...

    ST. ALBANS VT

    305 PM EST SAT DEC 13 2003

     

    ...WINTER STORM WARNING FOR LATE SUNDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH MONDAY...

     

    .TONIGHT...MOSTLY CLEAR. LOWS ZERO TO 5 ABOVE. LIGHT AND VARIABLE

    WINDS.

    .SUNDAY...INCREASING CLOUDS WITH A CHANCE OF SNOW IN THE AFTERNOON.

    HIGHS 20 TO 25. SOUTHEAST WINDS 5 TO 15 MPH. CHANCE OF SNOW 40

    PERCENT.

    .SUNDAY NIGHT...SNOW...HEAVY AT TIMES. ACCUMULATION...6 TO 10

    INCHES. LOWS NEAR 20. CALM WINDS BECOMING NORTH AND INCREASING TO 5

    TO 15 MPH. CHANCE OF SNOW NEAR 100 PERCENT.

    .MONDAY...SNOW...HEAVY AT TIMES. SIGNIFICANT ADDITIONAL ACCUMULATION

    LIKELY. HIGHS IN THE LOWER 20S. NORTH WINDS 10 TO 20 MPH. CHANCE OF

    SNOW NEAR 100 PERCENT.

    .MONDAY NIGHT...A CHANCE OF SNOW SHOWERS UNTIL MIDNIGHT...OTHERWISE

    BECOMING PARTLY CLOUDY. LOWS IN THE UPPER TEENS. NORTHWEST WINDS

    AROUND 15 MPH. CHANCE OF SNOW 30 PERCENT.

  4. La fente sèche est l'air froid et sec qui s'enroule près du coeur de la dépression et au sud-ouest et sud de celle-ci, parfois même un peu au sud-est du centre. Elle est surtout présente pour les dépressions intenses en développement. C'est ce qui leur donne la fameuse forme avec les nuages 'en virgule'.

     

     

    Et il est parfois difficile de savoir exactement où cette fente sèche sera localisée de même que son étendue. Cela affecte grandement les précipitations lors du passage de la dépression.

     

    Christian Pagé

  5. extrait:

     

    CPV = Champlain Valley = Plattsburgh-Burlington

    1 à 2 pieds donc prévus par eux...

     

    CRNT THINKING FOR SNOWFALL TOTALS BY MONDAY EVENING ARE: SLV 8-

    14"...ADIRONDACK MTNS 10-20" WITH LOCALLY HIGHER AMOUNTS...CPV 1-2

    FEET...AND THE REST OF CENTRAL/SOUTHERN VT 1-2 FEET WITH LOCALLY

    HIGHER AMOUNTS POSSIBLE.

     

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    689

    FXUS61 KBTV 131942

    AFDBTV

     

    AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION

    NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BURLINGTON VT

    242 PM EST SAT DEC 13 2003

     

    ...MAJOR WINTER STORM WL BRING SIGNIFICANT SNOWFALL TO ENTIRE CWA...

     

    WATER VAPOR THIS AFTERNOON SHOWS MID/UPPER LVL TROF ACRS NE CONUS

    LIFTING INTO EASTERN CANADA. MEANWHILE...STRONG MID/UPPER LVL LOW

    AND ASSOCIATED 25H DUAL JET STRUCTURE CONTS TO MOVE FROM MIDWEST INTO

    THE OHIO VALLEY. ALSO...NOTED WAS SIGNIFICANT NORTHERN STREAM ENERGY

    ALONG THE CANADA/US BORDER AREA MOVING SE TOWARD SYSTEM. THIS

    COMBINED WITH 140KT 25H JET ON BACKSIDE OF TROF WL HELP TO DEEPEN

    MID/UPPER LVL LOW AND EVENTUALLY IT WL BC NEGATIVELY TILTED ALONG

    THE EASTERN SEABOARD ON SUNDAY NITE. ETA/GFS BOTH UNDER-ESTIMATED

    BACKSIDE JET...ALONG WITH 5H LOW OVER THE MIDWEST THIS MORNING BASED

    ON WATER VAPOR/RAOB DATA. NEITHER MODEL WAS STRONG ENOUGH OR DEEP

    ENOUGH WITH SYSTEM. ALSO...WATER VAPOR SHOWS NICE CONNECTION OF

    PACIFIC MOISTURE ASSOCIATED WITH SUB-TROPICAL JET. THIS FEATURE IS

    HELPING IN DEVELOPMENT OF TS ALONG THE GULF COAST STATES TODAY.

     

    SFC ANALYSIS PLACES COLD HIGH PRES OVER THE MID ATLANTIC STATES WITH

    SFC LOW PRES AND ELONGATED TROF LOCATED FROM NEAR NEW ORLEANS TO

    CAPE HATTERAS.

     

    TONIGHT...MID/UPPER LVL TROF SHIFTS INTO EASTERN CANADA AS SFC HIGH

    PRES CONTS ACRS OUR CWA. FEEL LIGHT WINDS...CLR SKIES...AND SOME

    SNOW PACK WL TREND TEMPS SLIGHTLY COLDER THAN GUIDANCE.

     

    SUNDAY-MONDAY...ALL MODELS/ENSEMBLE FCST STILL SUGGEST SIGNIFICANT

    SNOW STORM FOR ENTIRE CWA SUNDAY NITE THROUGH MONDAY. MODELS CONT

    TO BE VERY CONSISTENT WITH MID/UPPER LOW TRACK AND ASSOCIATED

    MOVEMENT OF SFC LOW. GFS STILL STRONGEST AND FURTHEST SOUTH WITH

    7H/5H LOW...WHILE ETA IS FURTHER NORTH AND LESS CUTOFF WITH

    MID/UPPER LVL LOW. BOTH MODELS VERY SIMILAR IN BRINGING INITIAL

    LIFT/MOISTURE INTO OUR SOUTHERN CWA BY SUNDAY AFTERNOON. WL CONT

    WITH PREVIOUS FCSTER AND MENTION LIKELY POPS ACRS OUR SOUTHERN ZNS

    ON SUNDAY. OTHERWISE...CLOUDS THICKEN WITH CHC POPS. SUNDAY NITE...

    5H VORT OVER NORTHERN PLAINS AND 25H JET DIGGING ON BACKSIDE WL LEAD

    TO RAPID CYCLOGENESIS NEAR ACY...WHILE MID/UPPER LVL TROF BCMS

    NEGATIVELY TILTED. THIS NEGATIVELY TILTED TROF WL PULL PLENTY OF

    ATLANTIC MOISTURE...ALONG WITH PACIFIC MOISTURE ASSOCIATED WITH

    SOUTHERN STREAM SYSTEM INTO OUR CWA. BOTH MODELS TRACK SFC LOW FROM

    DELMARVA ON 00Z MON TO BOS BY 18Z MON AND INTO THE GULF OF MAINE

    AFTER-WARDS. CNRT FEELING IS...SFC/85H LOW WL FOLLOW LLVL THERMAL

    GRADIENT/COAST FRNT ALONG EASTERN SEABOARD THRU THE EVENT.

     

    GFS CONTS TO SUPPORT ALL SNOW ACRS OUR CWA WITH ETA TRENDING COLDER

    THIS RUN. HOWEVER...850-700MB THICKNESS STILL SHOW THE POTENTIAL

    FOR SOME MIXING WITH SLEET ACRS OUR SOUTHERN ZNS LATE SUNDAY NITE

    INTO MONDAY MORNING. OTHERWISE...ALL OUR CRITICAL THICKNESS VALUES

    ALONG WITH LLVL THERMAL PROFILE SUGGEST ALL SNOW. NEXT QUESTION HOW

    MUCH SNOWFALL. A BAND OF VERY STRONG 7H FGEN ASSOCIATED WITH INITIAL

    5H VORT/MID WAA WL LIFT FROM SNE NEW ENGLAND AT 00Z MON TO OUR

    NORTHERN CWA BY 12Z MON. GFS SHOWS...THIS AXIS OF STRONG FGEN AND

    850-500MB Q-VECTOR CONVERGENCE MORE CONCENTRATED OVER OUR

    CENTRAL/SOUTHERN CWA. ALSO...VERTICAL CROSS-SECTIONS SHOW TREMENDOUS

    LIFT...FGEN...PLENTY OF MOISTURE...ALONG WITH AREAS OF NEGATIVE EPV.

    THE LIFT IS SO STRONG IT PUSHES MOISTURE WELL ABOVE 4OOMB IN THE

    CROSS SECTION OVER OUR CWA. ALSO...STEEP MID LVL LAPSE RATES WL HELP

    TO ENHANCE LIFT. GIVEN ABOVE MENTION PARAMETERS...BELIEVE THIS MESO

    BAND OF VERY HEAVY SNOWFALL WL HAVE SOME THUNDER SNOW ASSOCIATED WITH

    IT. THIS BAND WL HAVE SNOWFALL RATES OF 3 TO 4 INCHES PER HOUR. MESO-

    ETA IS VERY QUICK LIFTING THIS BAND ACRS CWA IN ABOUT 6 HRS WHILE THE

    GFS IS SLOWER AND PLACES CPV VALLEY IN FAVORABLE MID LVL DEFORMATION

    ZN ON MONDAY AFTERNOON. THE DURATION OF THIS BAND WL PLAY A MAJOR

    ROLE IN SNOWFALL AMOUNTS ACRS OUR CWA.

     

    CRNT THINKING FOR SNOWFALL TOTALS BY MONDAY EVENING ARE: SLV 8-

    14"...ADIRONDACK MTNS 10-20" WITH LOCALLY HIGHER AMOUNTS...CPV 1-2

    FEET...AND THE REST OF CENTRAL/SOUTHERN VT 1-2 FEET WITH LOCALLY

    HIGHER AMOUNTS POSSIBLE.

     

    .LONG TERM...(TUESDAY THROUGH SATURDAY)

    RIDGE OF HIGH PRESSURE TO BUILD INTO THE FORECAST AREA ON TUESDAY

    FOR FAIR AND DRY WEATHER...WITH TEMPERATURES CLIMBING ABOVE

    FREEZING DURING THE DAY ON TUESDAY. THIS WILL BE A BRIEF ONE DAY

    RESPITE THOUGH...AS A LOW PRESSURE OVER THE MID MISSISSIPPI VLY

    EARLY TUESDAY WILL MOVE NORTHEAST INTO THE EASTERN GREAT LAKES BY

    EARLY WEDNESDAY. HOWEVER...ON WEDNESDAY A NORTHERN STREAM SHRTWV AND

    SOUTHER STREAM SHRTWV WILL BEGIN TO COME INTO PHASE OVER THE

    EASTERN U.S. WITH A SECONDARY LOW PRESSURE AREA DEVELOPING OVER THE

    CAROLINAS EARLY WEDNESDAY. THIS SECONDARY LOW PRESSURE AREA WILL

    TAKE OVER AS THE PRIMARY LOW OVER THE EASTERN GREAT LAKES BEGINS TO

    FILL. THIS INITIAL LOW OVER THE EASTERN GREAT LAKES WILL BRING A

    CHANCE OF MIXED PRECIPITATION TO THE ST LAWRENCE VLY AND THE

    ADIRONDACKS LATE TUESDAY NIGHT.

     

    ON WEDNESDAY...FORECAST AREA WILL LIKELY SEE A MIXED BAG OF

    PRECIPITATION TYPES FROM SNOW...SLEET...FREEZING RAIN AND THEN

    RAIN...AS 850 MB TEMPERATURES ALOFT CLIMB ABOVE FREEZING.

    HOWEVER...A SHALLOW LAYER OF COLD AIR WILL BE PRESENT AT THE

    SURFACE...WITH FREEZING RAIN...AND OTHER FORMS OF MIXED

    PRECIPITATION LIKELY AS MENTIONED ABOVE. ALSO...NO COLD HIGH

    PRESSURE AREA TO THE NORTH OF THE REGION...SO NOT EXPECTING MUCH IN

    THE WAY OF SNOW ATTM EXPECT THE COLD AIR TO GRADUALLY ERODE BY MID

    TO LATE AFTERNOON...WITH RAIN BEING THE PRIMARY FORM OF

    PRECIPITATION. LATE WEDNESDAY NIGHT...COLDER AIR WILL BEGIN TO WORK

    INTO THE ST LAWRENCE VLY...ADIRONDACKS AND THE CHAMPLAIN VLY WHICH

    WILL CHANGE THE RAIN OVER TO SNOW...AS CLOSED UPPER LOW BEGINS TO

    FORM OFF THE NEW JERSEY COAST BY EARLY THURSDAY MORNING. THIS WILL

    ALLOW FOR DYNAMICAL COOLING ALOFT AS HEIGHTS BEGIN TO FALL AT 500

    MB. THIS CLOSED UPPER LOW WILL SLOW THE FORWARD SPEED OF THE

    DEEPENING SURFACE LOW PRESSURE AREA NEAR LONG ISLAND EARLY

    THURSDAY. EXPECT ANY RAIN OVER VERMONT EARLY THURSDAY TO CHANGE

    OVER TO SNOW...WITH SNOW CONTINUING INTO THURSDAY NIGHT. LOOKS LIKE

    FORECAST AREA COULD SEE ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT SNOWFALL ON

    THURSDAY.

     

    LOW WILL BE MOVING INTO THE CANADIAN MARITIMES ON FRIDAY.

    EXPECTING SOME LINGERING SNOW SHOWERS ACROSS VERMONT ON

    FRIDAY...BUT THEN SKIES WILL BE CLEARING OUT. ON FRIDAY NIGHT...A

    LOW PRESSURE AREA OVER THE WESTERN GREAT LAKES WILL DROP

    SOUTHEAST...AND THEN MOVE INTO SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND LATE SATURDAY

    NIGHT. THIS SYSTEM WILL BRING A CHANCE OF LIGHT SNOW INTO THE

    REGION SATURDAY AFTERNOON AND SATURDAY NIGHT. JUST ENOUGH TO

    FRESHEN UP THE SNOWPACK.

     

    CLIMO/RECORDS...HERE ARE SOME DECEMBER SNOWFALL STATISTICS FOR

    BURLINGTON.

     

    SNOWFALL SO FAR THIS MONTH 19.5

    AVERAGE SNOWFALL 18.3

    GREATEST TOTAL SNOWFALL FOR DEC 56.7 1970

    GREATEST SNOWFALL FOR 12/14 11.1 1915

    GREATEST SNOWFALL FOR 12/15 7.5 1968

    GREATEST 24 HR SNOWFALL 17.0 1978

     

    &&

     

    .BTV WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...

    VT...WINTER STORM WARNING FOR LATE SUNDAY THRU MONDAY...VTZ001>012-

    016>019.

    NY...WINTER STORM WARNING FOR LATE SUNDAY THRU MONDAY...NYZ026>031-

    034-035-087.

     

    $$

     

    BTV FCST TEAM:

    SHORT TERM...TABER

    LONG TERM/AVIATION...WGH

    CLIMO/RECORDS...MB

  6. Tu as raison Eric, ce sont les modèles utilisés. La situation de dimanche soir/lundi est tout aussi sensible que la semaine passée. Une simple petite erreur de positionnement ou intensité, ou bien simplement dans la prévisions des précipitations (c'est ce qui a fait défaut dans la prévision du week-end passé, la dépression était correctement prévue, mais pas le patron de précip). Une différence de 100km dans la prévision fera toute la différence...

     

    A suivre et surveiller... on ne manque pas d'action ces temps-ci

     

    Christian Pagé

  7. Les derniers modèles de 12GMT donnent d'une trace à 5-8 cm pour Montréal. Il y a trop d'air chaud près du centre dépressionnaire et il passe trop près de Montréal dans tous les cas... il va falloir attendre encore avant d'avoir une tempête de neige à Montréal. Ce sera quand même toute une tempête avec vents forts et beaucoup de quantité de pluie!

     

    J'attends encore cependant les modèles GEM-REG et UKMET de 12 GMT. On verra comment cela se précise.

     

    Christian Pagé

  8. Il y a encore des différences entre les modèles, et près de la trajectoire du centre de la dépression, ce sera plutôt de la pluie que de la neige, mais la pluie se changera en neige dès que la dépression sera passée, ce qui limitera les accumulations, mais la quantité est encore incertaine à Montréal.

     

     

    Il y aura de forts vents à l'arrière, cela est certain cependant...

     

    A surveiller avec les modèles de 12 GMT cet avant-midi!

  9. Vous avez maintenant la possibilité d'entrer des relevés de temps présent! 100 codes sont disponibles, la description en anglais pour le moment, le temps qu'une âme charitable ait le temps d'effectuer la traduction.

     

    Eventuellement, il sera possible de cliquer sur les icônes afin d'entrer directement l'observations sans saisir le code comme tel, autant pour le temps présent, la nébulosité et les nuages. Mais avant je veux me concentrer sur l'activation de la carte du grand sud-ouest, et ensuite la visualisation graphique des observations.

     

    Le scommentaires et rapport de problèmes sont toujours les bienvenus!

     

    Christian

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